In this episode of the Impostor Syndrome Files, we talk about the role our stories play in our confidence journeys. When we’re doing something scary, or experiencing self-doubt, too often, our story is one of disempowerment – I don’t belong here, or I’m not good enough. It’s a fluke, or there’s been a huge mistake. But what happens when we change the story? My guest this week, Jodi Flynn, is the CEO and founder of Women Taking the Lead. Here we talk about the impact of our stories and what we can do to adopt more empowered mindsets. We also talk about the importance of consistently stretching and expanding our comfort bubbles so that they don’t shrink and suffocate us.
About My Guest
Jodi Flynn is the CEO and Founder of Women Taking the Lead, a leadership development company that works with allies, organizations, and boards to close the performance gap by attracting, developing and successfully promoting more women into senior levels of leadership. She helps organizations realize these benefits through coaching, consulting, leadership development programs and keynotes. Featured in Entrepreneur and Forbes magazines she is the host of the nationally recognized Women Taking the Lead podcast, and an Amazon bestselling author with her book, Accomplished: How to Go from Dreaming to Doing.
Jodi is a Co-Founder of The Maine Women’s Conference and has spoken at the Massachusetts Conference for Women, the Women in Banking Conference, Emerging Leaders Conference, and Podcast Movement.
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Transcript
Kim Meninger
Welcome, Jodi, I'm so excited to have you on my podcast. I know he did your podcast recently. And I'll link to that in the show notes as well for anybody who wants to check out the other side of this conversation. But I would love to invite you to introduce yourself.
Jodi Flynn
Kim first, thank you for having me here on your podcast, we've had several really just in my view, amazing conversations recorded and unrecorded. Always a good time. Um, but I'm really glad to be here to be joining your audience. And for those who are listening, thank you for listening in. And being a part of this conversation, though, in the world. I am Jodi Flynn. I'm the CEO and founder of women taking the lead. And we help organizations to achieve their gender parity goals at all levels of leadership. And we do this through consulting, coaching, training and development programs and keynotes. And how I got here why I'm doing this work, I would say it goes back formative years, right? There's, there's no mistake that the experiences we have, as children often inform, you know, what we end up doing for work and how we want to contribute to the world when we are adults. And I was born a girl and an Irish Catholic family back in the 70s. And just had an eye-opening experience. Like I was young, young, young. And my brother Sean became an altar boy at church. And so it's my brother, Sean, and then three girls in a row in my family total of eight, by the way, as a background, but I'm the fourth I was the third girl. And so I'm sitting in the pew I'm watching my brother up there, you know, so proud. That's my brother. And I want to do that someday, right? As young children, we look at our elder siblings. And we're like, Yep, I'm going to do that. I'm going to be that someday. And I remember saying to my mom, I shared with her like, I had this goal I wanted, I wanted to be an altar boy to young enough, that I didn't realize what I was, I was saying, and my mom turned to me. And she, she was like, oh, you can't be an altar boy. And I was like, why she was like, You're a girl. Right? And girls can't be on the altar. Right? Unless you're like an announcer elector. And I was just like, wow, like girl, like, because I'm a girl, I'm not allowed. So instantly in your head, you start making up stories, like, there's something wrong with me or boys are better than girls, right? And then it becomes the schoolyard mantras, but then it's reinforced in many different places in our society. So think, you know, late 70s, early 80s, the majority of the politicians were men, when you watched a sporting event on TV, it was men, you know, our political leaders, men, you know, and then for me, church, you know, and all these environments were the authority figures, and the decision-makers and the people we were giving the most attention to. Were men, right? And so I was just taking it in when I was younger. But of course, at some point in your growing up years, you start to go, Well, wait a second. Is that right? Like, it was like, Is this the way it needs to be? And so I opened realize what was going on? And I'm like, wait a second, this isn't fair, right? I'm just as smart as my brothers. I'm just as capable as my brothers. I'm a leader, as well. And so that started to become my mission, especially as I was working and advancing more and more, and realizing the women around me, especially the younger women had so much self-doubt, like they didn't think that they were capable of these leadership positions. And I will say, I've gotten even more clarity in the last five to 10 years to where I've just come to realize like, this is why I was born. Because we would have much more peace in the world, more prosperity in the world. If there was gender parity, everywhere and leadership and decision-making. Research has shown this when women are the ones who are given money and communities the communities tend to heal after tragedies. They also will become more prosperous if businesses invest in women entrepreneurs within communities. Now I don't think it's should all go to women, I believe in gender parity, right? Because there can be an imbalance on the other side too. But I, I've just become super, super clear like, this is my goal. And I'm thinking of taking a step back. What do we need to do to get there? How do we help women and men get to a place where we do have an equal number of women leaders and male leaders at the table making decisions?
Kim Meninger
Hmm, thank you so much for sharing that. I didn't know that story. So that is, that really is so interesting to hear. And I was thinking about my own similar story, which happened in a different way. But I think we all had as girls, that moment where you're told, No, you can't do that. For me. It was when I saw the movie Top Gun, and I wanted to be a fighter pilot. Oh, yeah. People were like, No, girls can't be fighter pilots. Why?
Jodi Flynn
And I'm so glad the world has changed. My niece is an altar server now and has been for years and years. And, you know, there are women fighter pilots. Now. It's very exciting. But the like, there's so much more to do. Right? The changes have been heartwarming, and there's still work to be done.
Kim Meninger
So can you talk a little bit more about the work that needs to be done? Like as you go about? Having conversations serving your community? What are the big obstacles that still exist? What are the we've made some slow progress? But where are we falling short in your mind?
Jodi Flynn
Well, it's no mistake that you and I have connected, right? Because we both see how you know, for women and that imposter syndrome, right? Or absorbing the beliefs, right? That like men make natural leaders, whereas maybe we don't, we have a hard time with decisions or believing in ourselves, that sort of thing. So there, there's work to be done there. And there's always you know, there are policies within companies or procedures, or this is the way we've always done things, that when you take a closer look, you start to see like, oh, this, you know, this makes it harder for women to, you know, achieve leadership roles. Women also play big roles in the family and their community outside of work, we talk about the third shift, often where women leave work, and they're taking care of young children and elderly parents, or they're volunteering, you know, PTA or some community organizations, that sort of thing. I don't think companies are appreciating the role that women play outside of work. So and there are companies coming along, right, that are allowing more flex time or hybrid work, I do think there is importance of, for teams working together to have time to be in in person. But does it have to be that way all week long, can we allow some work for Home and some flexibility, so women can, you know, be their best at work and be their best in their families and their communities as well. And then there's also public policy, right? In government, you know, we're not very supportive of families, we're not very supportive of women, you know, achieving these roles and having the supports in place. And a lot of people, you know, agree, disagree. But the countries that have support for families have many more women in leadership in senior levels of leadership because they're getting that support. And they're also more lucrative, right? So like, it ripples out, I think there's just there is this barrier called, well, this is the way it is, or this is the way we've always done it. And a lot of times we think, Oh, that just applies to a new initiative at our organization, that when somebody's trying to change how we do things, that's when these words are said it's like, oh, no, that that mental block is bigger than you think. And it happens at all levels of our society. And so part of my work is to help organizations to see where are the blocks like where is the, this is the way we've always done it or we haven't reviewed our procedures, or our job descriptions in quite a while that are written in a way where a lot of companies don't realize they're intimidating for women and people of color, right or minority people. So taking a look at those things, removing those obstacles, and specifically in my work with women, it's supporting them as they are rising through the ranks of leadership, because you and I have, have underscored time. And again, it's oftentimes right after that promotion that the imposter syndrome will set in. And this is a crucial period because this is also when women are deciding, when do I want to stay here? I think most do and try to figure it out. But they're also deciding, do I really want to go through this again, do I want another promotion are my good here, that was scary. I that was a baptism by fire, maybe I'm, I'm good enough here. But they're not they're out of touch with their full potential and what they're capable of, because it's really just some mindset shifts, and just changing how you're doing things just a little bit, that can make the difference, make it easier for you to operate at that level, and easier to go to the next level as well.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, and you said, so many important things there. And I think about the combination of the macro and the micro, when we talk about, let's say, just a woman who gets promoted to the next level and starts to doubt herself. Some of that comes from the just the very natural place of this is scary, because I've never tried it before. And I'm going to potentially fall on my face, right? And so there's all of that that comes with anytime we step outside of our comfort zones. But it also comes within this larger context that you're talking about of, well, maybe I'm not good enough to be a leader, if this is how I feel, or because I haven't fully mastered everything before I stepped into the room or because I look around and I don't see anyone else who looks like me. And so there's layers of doubt and insecurity that come in these moments.
Jodi Flynn
Yes. And I think in those situations, where you say, you know, you said, like, I'm the only one who looks like me here, or I'm one at one of the view, a lot of it is a mindset shift that impacts our identity, I say, you know, our identity is ever-changing, right? Some of us get stuck in these identities of I am this, I am not that, but it's all made up. Right? We've decided at that point, I'm good at leadership, I'm good at math, I'm bad at hard conversations, I'm bad at conflict, you know, that sort of thing. But it's malleable, and it can change. And so for the people who are going in, and they're like, you know, and I've had these conversations where like, I could take this promotion, but then I'm going to be the only one in the room. Right? I might be the only woman in the room, you know, at this level. And it's like, do you see yourself as a pioneer? Do you see yourself as a change-maker? Right? Because when that's your identity, it makes it a lot easier to be in that room and be sitting at that table, as opposed to if you think of yourself as a fish out of water. Right? Or, like I'm swimming in a tank of sharks, you know, that sort of thing? Like, it all depends on the story you make up about who you are, you know, at this point in this place, and at this time, right? And can you take on a story that feels good, and empowers you to bring your best self into that role or that situation?
Kim Meninger
I love that you said that because I do think the frame we put around whatever it is we're doing has such a psychological impact on how we show up. And just that whole notion of being a change maker or being a pioneer, as opposed to this is a fluke.
Jodi Flynn
This was an accident. They, they just don't know right? That impostor syndrome right? There it is. It comes up like at some point they're gonna figure out that I wasn't the right person for the job. Yeah, that, that is definitely a mindset to overcome, identify quickly and overcome and be like, no, like, they saw something that maybe I don't see. And but I'm, I'm going to, I'm taking on being a pioneer and a change maker. What an amazing opportunity to be that first person in the room as opposed to they made a mistake.
Kim Meninger
Can we talk practically speaking for a moment about that? because there are obviously intellectual elements to that. But then there's also just this very visceral feeling that comes in when you're in that moment. What are some early steps you can take to notice the story? Change the story, like how do you intervene? Once you find yourself in that situation where you're kind of a deer in the headlights? who's like, Oh, no.
Jodi Flynn
What have I done? Here? I am, what have I done? And I need to get at least you know, survive this moment or this meeting? One, if you're experiencing that fear, or that anxiety, something's going on, right? Because there is a difference between you stress, right? You stress is that positive, motivating, enthusiastic? Like, right, I'm a little amped up, but I'm excited. And this is going to be great, right? If that's your state of being great, keep going. Do more of that. Take your breaks, right to keep your energy high, but you're in a good place, as opposed to, how am I going to get through this? You know, what's the survival technique? And can you often talk about, you know, when you're in survival mode, you're definitely not going to be at your best, you are not going to bring your best self, you're not going to be you're not even going to be in tune to what's got really going on in the room? Because when we're in survival mode, we're self-focused, we're focused on the experience that we're having in this moment, and how do I get myself through? So if you find yourself like, scared, anxious, frustrated, you know, Ken worried that sort of thing, something is going on, where you are feeling threatened in the moment. So that's, that's a good practice. To just be aware, if I'm having negative emotions around this, right and fire, I'm amped up and not in a good way, then there's a mindset that is going on that is causing me to feel this way. First thing you got to do is just get back in your body, right, your thoughts have started spiraling and you're taking off. So a lot of somatic exercises to just like, it can be like rubbing your hands together, being aware of your feet, pressing into the floor, your, your seat, pressing into the chair, or if you're standing like just a sense of your body and place, notice your breathing, visuals, sounds right get into the your senses, because that turns off the survival brain and starts engaging the more cognitive parts of your brain so that you're calming down a little bit. Right? So in the moment, that's what you can do. And then when you're out of that meeting, get higher Kim or myself, that sort of thing. Right? Because the next work to do is to get in touch with what is the belief that I have that caused me to have that experience, right? You want to get into that? Like, what is it? It almost doesn't matter. What caused you to develop that belief? I think more and more even. Psychology is saying you don't need to go into the past to find out where this came from, to know there's something going on here. That's hobbling you, and holding you back from your best self. So you want to get into what is the story? I'm telling myself? What belief caused me to feel this way. And I think sometimes they're very obvious, like, it's imposter syndrome, right? I have a belief that I don't belong here. You know that everyone in the room is smarter than me. So then you need to tackle those beliefs. Is it true, right? Sometimes, like, the easiest thing to do is just keep asking yourself that question. Is it true? Can I know it to be true, right, Byron Katie has a process of challenging beliefs. She calls it the work you can google Byron Katie, B-R-Y-O-N K-A-T-I-E the work. And it'll come up with four questions you ask yourself in a moment, and there she has a book out that, that guides you through the process as well, to challenge those beliefs and shift into a belief that's more empowering. So on the practical side, I think it is very common for the belief to be I don't belong here, right or they picked the wrong person. Okay. You've challenged Is that belief? Is it true? How can you know it to be true? Right? And what if something else is true? Okay? That it's not that I don't belong here, right? I do belong here, or I believe that I don't belong here. Right? And is that true? And keep playing with that till you get to a place where you can shift into a more empowering belief of, and it might look like, I'm the newest person on the team. Is that true? Yes. Okay, that's a fact. Right? I am the newest person on the team. Now, what do I believe about that? Right. And I often say to my clients and share with them, the newest person has the clearest view. Right? You see things that other people don't see anymore. Because it happens. So often, they treat it like it's wallpaper, right? It's window dressing, so you don't see it anymore. But when you're new, you have fresh eyes. And you can point out things that you're seeing, you don't have to be the expert. But what you can contribute is a perspective, you can ask questions, you can share your point of view, you provide value, and that. Right? And also, another thing I offer is, several people saw you as a person of potential and want to do at this table for a certain reason. What are those reasons? List them out. And if you don't know, ask them. Right, change the story. The most important practical thing you can do if you find yourself faced with impostor syndrome is to change the story that is creating that experience. And those are the steps that you can use to immediately and practically like just, there's no going from, I'm freaking out to I provide value. Right, your mind isn't going to accept that there are going to be steps like calm your nervous system first, and get yourself into a place of calm, where you can start exploring the stories that have created your experience, and a story that can create a new experience for you.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, and I love, I love the you can't get there without the nervous system work first, because you're just not in the right part of your brain. And it's so powerful. Even the Byron Katie work is such a great example of the power of just examining and interrogating your beliefs in this different way. Because we often accept them at face value, we just assume that whatever we're telling ourselves is fact. And once we take the time to just start asking questions, it doesn't even really matter what the question is. The fact that you're asking the question brings in the cognitive part of your brain, because that's where that kind of activity lies, right? So just the mere act of taking an analytical approach to how you're showing up allows you to see things in a way that you wouldn't have seen before and to say, I often joke and I may have said this to you before to have that impostor syndrome, it managing it is, is often about revealing the absurdity of our thinking, right? Because we just don't question. It's like, oh, yeah, no, you're not good enough. Oh, everyone else is better than you. And then you start to say it out loud, or you start to turn like twist it and turn on look at us. How ridiculous is that? Like, there's no evidence to support that that is not rooted in any fact. But we have to get to the place where we can go from just the emotional response to those beliefs to a place of like, no, actually, that's not true. And here's a different way to think about it.
Jodi Flynn
Yes. And if you're someone who processes things out loud, and I, even my introverted clients, like through conversations, once they start saying some of their beliefs out loud, I oftentimes don't even need to coach I just need to be present and ask good questions to get them to say the words out loud, because oftentimes, what they'll do is they boop, it comes out of their mouth. It said, it's in the air between us. And then they go, like you said, Well, that's crazy. Well, when I say it out loud, that just sounds so silly, that sort of thing. That, that is very helpful, right? And if you have friends or colleagues that you can bounce these ideas off, I know sometimes colleagues aren't the safest place in the world because we're trying to maintain right, we got our armor on at work, and we don't want to get vulnerable and we're afraid but if you have colleagues that you trust, and can just share some of these things out loud, sometimes that can be helpful and knowing impostor syndrome is part of our make up, it happens to all of us doesn't matter what our gender is, it's just tends to because of conditioning and the way our society is it's more prevalent in women and can be more intense in women. So knowing like, Okay, this is just something that comes up when I'm doing something new or bigger, or, you know, like, or I'm like, on, like, on mission, and it feels important and valuable, that will trigger the imposter syndrome. It's just something to work through Kim, I have to share something that really made me laugh as I was logging on to this Zoom call, the, the meeting is called impostor syndrome. And then underneath it says, this is a recurring meeting. And I was like, why? Yes, yes, it is. This is it re-occurs. And I want I want everyone listening, or I should say, I want you who are listening to just recognize that like, when impostor syndrome develops your living, right, you are actively involved in growing and developing yourself and making a bigger contribution. There are times where I've experienced impostor syndrome. And I'm like, game on, here we go, I did it, I declared something or I took that bigger role. And now this is setting in, I just need to follow the steps to process through this. So I can get to the other side, right? Because eventually, you do master that new role, you do master that new position, and you feel great. And if you are then living life trying to avoid that feeling of imposter syndrome, you are going to hold yourself back because were meant to keep growing and keep developing.
Kim Meninger
That’s exactly right. I think that's such a powerful point that you can't get to where you want to be from a challenge and growth perspective. If you keep yourself in that bubble of safety and comfort, it just can't happen. So I like what you're saying. Because if we just accept, and it doesn't have to be at the level that we've perhaps experienced in the past without tools, but if we just accept, there's always going to be that nervousness, that element of self-doubt, there's a leap of faith that comes every time we do something we've never done before. If we just sort of say, Okay, this is coming. I know what's coming because this is how we as humans, adapt to change. Then when it does show up to your point, I can say, okay, here we go, right? I knew this was coming I, I chose to go down this path. And now I have tools that I can use to make this more manageable along the way until I get to the other side of it, where I'm like, phew.
Jodi Flynn
You know, Kim, as you're saying that something just collect and this is a wondering, I'm wondering out loud, okay, so we know that it is our mindset that causes imposter syndrome to kick in, right? We've stepped into something bigger, but we have that old, smaller mindset. And so we need to take on the bigger mindset. What if we took on the bigger mindset before we took on the new role, right, and you show up in the new role, feeling? They pick the right person? I'm meant to be here. I'm going to contribute tremendous value. I'm going to learn and grow. I don't know everything. I'm not expert, but I'm going to get there. I am wondering if it either mitigate like completely cuts off that experience of impostor syndrome or mitigates it to the point where it's like, instead of a full body hijacking, like it's just more of a sensation of like, oh, this is new and scary. I can definitely feel myself being like, Okay, I'm gonna breathe through this, but I'm good. I'm good. I'm just, this is new. And so I just need to go through this for a few days. You know, before I feel like I've really got my sea legs here. I wonder if that would happen if you can, if you can do the work ahead of time to preempt the experience.
Kim Meninger
I bet there's a good chunk of the work that you can do ahead of time, right because, you know, going into a new situation. Based on past experience, what are the thoughts I had the last time I went through, through a change, what are the things I can anticipate are going to come up for me? And doing some of the work that we talked about of like, what's another way to think about that? Is that true? How do I tell a more empowering story? Then what I was visualizing as you were saying that about being hijacked, it's like the difference between sort of plummeting without a parachute, versus, like choosing to go on a roller coaster were scary, but it's, it's fun. Yes, it's like, I know, it's gonna be scary. I know. I'm gonna have reaction to it. But I'm choosing to do it because it's worth it to me.
Jodi Flynn
Right? In the sense of safety as well, right? I'm gonna get scared. But this, this is probably going to last like a minute at the most. And then the roller coaster will pull into the terminal. Yeah.
Kim Meninger
That's right. That's right. And so you know, if you think about the things we choose to do that are scary, like I I'm a big fan of like, horror stuff, and suspense movies and things like we're I choose to scare myself, even though I have an anxiety disorder, but it's like, that's life is life is about choosing, do I stay in my comfort zone where it's nice and cozy? But I don't actually get to experience anything new? Or do I just gear up and say, Okay, this is part of the roller coaster ride.
Jodi Flynn
Right? You know, it's interesting, because like, I don't do roller coasters anymore. Love them as a kid. And then when my sense of self-preservation kicked in, I like did not enjoy them as much. I don't watch horror movies. But you know, what I do? Kim is like, and you're there with me, we do public speaking. Or we take on bigger projects, right, we step into new roles, where we're, we're taking on more responsibility. And when I say responsibility, I don't mean the work because I want to be very clear, we're talking about a lot of times raising, you know, rising through the ranks of leadership. And it doesn't mean more work. But it does mean more responsibility or accountability, that sort of thing. Like, this is what we do to scare ourselves, you know, to some extent, or keep that feeling of aliveness going, I never feel more alive than when I'm like five to 10 minutes into a presentation public speaking being with an audience and interacting with them and feeding off of their energy and giving it back that sort of thing. These, these things, give us a keep, keep us alive. So for those who are listening, like, what is your thing, but I'm imagining if you're listening to this podcast, you're in, you're experiencing impostor syndrome, part of it is taking on a bigger role for yourself or contributing more value or living more on mission and in alignment with your values and your life, which isn't easy as either. Yeah, you're so right.
Kim Meninger
And I think about that, too, that I really do. Because I've had so much anxiety and I know that it would be easy for me to just stay in the bubble. I really do. Try to live by Eleanor Roosevelt's quote, do one thing every day that scares you. And if things get too easy for me, if I feel like I haven't been scared in a while, like, I need to take it up a notch, like, I'm getting too comfortable. And so for me, it's like, Okay, what's that next scary thing, what's the thing I'm going to do deliberately push myself out of my comfort zone? Because I don't want to get, you know, once you start getting to feeling too safe, then anything outside of that feels even scarier. So it's like building the habit of scaring yourself so that you prove to yourself like I can handle it, I can manage through it.
Jodi Flynn
You want to think of your comfort zone, almost like that comfort bubble. And when you're doing regular things that scare you a little bit, right, stretch you a little bit, it doesn't have to be dramatic, just a little bit what's a little outside of my comfort zone, you expand that comfort bubble, that safety bubble, so that you can occupy a bigger space, but when we play it safe for too long that bubble doesn't maintain it actually starts to contract and come in and come in and come in until you're feeling a little suffocated and like your life is not as fulfilling as it could be. Well, no your, your bubble of oxygen and space and, and enjoyment is too small for who you really are. Right? So it's almost like we have to do these little things to keep like pushing the edge A little bit, right? Like, it's like building muscle, right? You, you challenge the muscle to build it right? If you want to, to build your safety and comfort bubble, you have to challenge it, you have to challenge yourself to get there.
Kim Meninger
I love that imagery to have the shrinking and contracting of it. Because you're absolutely right, it doesn't stick. It's just like the muscles when you stop using them, they atrophy. So I think that's a great exercise for people listening to think about too, because it's a really great visual and something we all understand, like, where are you in the bubble? To really be thinking about it, especially as we're, you know, embarking on a new year to be thinking about, how are you fitting in that bubble right now? And what can you do to expand it?
Jodi Flynn
One little thing? That's just a little scary.
Kim Meninger
Exactly.
Jodi Flynn
In that bubble.
Kim Meninger
Exactly, exactly. Jodi, this is, as always such a fun and amazing conversation. Any final thoughts that you want to share?
Jodi Flynn
I you know, I think we hit on it, right? I loved I love ending with that comfort bubble. So I want to I want to leave everyone with that visualization in mind. You know, and, you know, if, and this is sometimes what happens, we're in the deep end already. You know, don't go it alone. Reach out to Kim, reach out to myself get support for yourself. It feels scary right now, and it feels like you know, it's too much for you right now. But with some of those mental shifts, those identity shifts, you will you know, you will be feeling strong and confident once again. I love that.
Kim Meninger
And Jodi, you have a podcast, you do amazing work. Where can people find you? About you? Sorry, I just dropped my pin.
Jodi Flynn
So everyone listening can find me. My podcast is called Women Taking the Lead. And that is also my hub. My website is women taking the lead.com. And the platform that I am the most active on is LinkedIn. So I love connecting with people on LinkedIn. So if you could send me an invitation request, it's Jodi Flynn, J-O-D-I-F-L-Y-N-N. Let me know you heard me on the imposter syndrome files podcast. And you know, I would love to just chat and have a conversation via LinkedIn or off you know, off of LinkedIn to get to know you better.
Kim Meninger
Thank you so much, Jodi, this was so wonderful.
Jodi Flynn
Thank you for inviting me and Kim. This is amazing and thank you to your amazing audience as well.